tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post189253121710344821..comments2024-03-26T04:26:04.911-07:00Comments on Lost City: Domino Plant a Museum Piece?Brooks of Sheffieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18297071358029060908noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post-69355903020973849982007-07-31T05:11:00.000-07:002007-07-31T05:11:00.000-07:00Battery Park City is the NYC example of what happe...Battery Park City is the NYC example of what happens when diversity is pulled from a publicly-sponsored development.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post-80272053077864230462007-07-30T21:15:00.000-07:002007-07-30T21:15:00.000-07:00ok, this is an interesting dialogue to be sure but...ok, this is an interesting dialogue to be sure but can we PLEASE get this one thing clear first, re: Domino & Tate: Domino is Tate & Lyle. if any of ya'll (& i am sure some do) don't know how the Domino plant came to be closed, please read up on it. This is a VERY basic start--<BR/><BR/>http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/sinyaimay2000.htm<BR/><BR/>personally, i'm almost at a point where if they promise to destroy the sign (which amounts to nothing more than free advertising for scumbags), i'd support almost anything. i'm being sarcastic, sort of but i'd love to know where the preservationists were during the strike, and what passion they had for those on the picket line.<BR/><BR/>check out Tom Robbins' reporting in the Voice back then for much more; the link I posted is just a limn & doesn't get into the gritty details of the Brooklyn waterfront labor politics like it could have.<BR/><BR/>wwibAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post-46472812131333325852007-07-30T19:42:00.000-07:002007-07-30T19:42:00.000-07:00With all due respect, we have a huge example of af...With all due respect, we have a huge example of affordable housing being moved from what suddenly became a valuable site. The problem was, the money went into the city's general fund & never used for housing elsewhere. That site is Battery Park City. In this city of globalized, publicly assisted, real estate speculation, he middle class constitutes the latest group of undesirables.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post-52963082633409315452007-07-30T15:30:00.000-07:002007-07-30T15:30:00.000-07:00Who said cultural center is mutually exclusive fro...Who said cultural center is mutually exclusive from affordable housing. Its been done all around the world. There are at least a dozen case studies where this has worked. Are we that uncreative? It should not be creative people need not apply, it should be based on need.<BR/><BR/>The Tate Modern had housing and ethnic diversity as part of their plan, even if it was not on-site.<BR/><BR/>also, look at this on youtube -- jobs, jobs, jobs:<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOtTrsDDDYkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post-52779677512913784952007-07-30T15:20:00.000-07:002007-07-30T15:20:00.000-07:00It could be mixed use but there can't be affordabl...It could be mixed use but there can't be affordable housing if the driver is an overwhelming predominance of so-called "market rate" units for the top 10-8% of households, incomewise, if that. The real estate economics 101 principle of comps - comparable values - is triggered by setting a new bench mark for what the market will bear - for rent or sale - be it residential, commercial, institutional or industrial. As for a museum, the city-state Brooklyn Bridge Park needs animation + the extraordinary Brooklyn Museum, the nation's 2nd largest public art collection, still attracts only a fraction of its depression era visitors. If anything, it has to be boosted 1st. .. Why not 100%, non-prof developed affordable dwellings at Domino, including live-work units? If museum or gallery space is sensible, maybe it should be a specialized branch of the grande dame of Eastern Parkway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post-76605854076213679672007-07-30T13:05:00.000-07:002007-07-30T13:05:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post-370178892039808972007-07-30T10:48:00.000-07:002007-07-30T10:48:00.000-07:00The idea of turning the Domino site into a museum ...The idea of turning the Domino site into a museum sounds wonderful...until you actually think about it.<BR/><BR/>1) New York has more galleries, museums and interesting cultural institutions than most New Yorkers could possibly have time to visit.<BR/><BR/>2) New York desperately needs housing at pretty much every income level, let alone affordable housing. By the way anonymous #2, (perhaps this isn't obvious) there actually are people other than artists that need affordable housing.<BR/><BR/>That supposedly socially consious people are willing to waste valueable time and taxpayers' money pushing that kind of non-sense is unconscionable. The same goes for much of the argument for preservation, since this preservation only increases the likelihood that whatever housing is built will be further upmarket by increasing development costs. Yeah, apparently most truely poor people can't afford to outbid yuppies for the priviledge of living in a polished up 100 year-old obsolete factory. Surprise surprise, after all don't we still live in a world were the costs don't matter if we're not paying?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post-31459375369823022902007-07-30T09:29:00.000-07:002007-07-30T09:29:00.000-07:00Hi Anonymous(s),We all have the same name! Afforda...Hi Anonymous(s),<BR/>We all have the same name! Affordable housing and an arts center are not mutually exclusive. There is enough room for both. I think "Arts" center is all inclusive, i.e., theater, dance, studio's... If things keep going the way they have, everyone in the arts will get pushed out to barges off the coast of Coney Island. The only upside to that is people in the arts could open offshore casino's to support their work. How about affordable housing for people in the arts? That is also desperately needed.<BR/>Cheers,<BR/>AnonymousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post-84356661002224433002007-07-30T08:35:00.000-07:002007-07-30T08:35:00.000-07:00In my crazy dreamworld it would be a 100% affordab...In my crazy dreamworld it would be a 100% affordable live/work/exhibition space for artists (and not just painters, but metal/wood workers, sculptors etc.).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post-48373788552238239682007-07-30T07:41:00.000-07:002007-07-30T07:41:00.000-07:00awesome idea, i like it. but wouldnt a museum caus...awesome idea, i like it. but wouldnt a museum cause a lot of the same problems as cpc's current proposal. both create tons more density, both indirectly displace local industry/residents, both provide unsatisfactory levels of affordable housing, etc. also, its nearly six blocks of real estate. guesss that leaves room for other interesting arts/cultural/open space things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21554899.post-49885043354420002482007-07-30T07:37:00.000-07:002007-07-30T07:37:00.000-07:00Don't we have enough museums and galleries in this...Don't we have enough museums and galleries in this city, already?<BR/><BR/>And must every abandoned industrial relic be preserved?<BR/><BR/>We desperately need more housing, and I for one would love one of those subsidized units they propose building on this site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com